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| TK as E.Wig
This is the e-mail I sent to Andy Schlafly on Tuesday 3rd July 2007 in which I detailed my reasons for concluding that TK and E.Wig were the same person.
Andy,
I've been investigating Kevin Conley's claim that TK and E.Wig are one and the same.
On Sunday night I came across some circumstantial evidence supporting the accusation. Yesterday (Monday) and today I continued investigating to see if I could find something more substantial. I not only found some more circumstantial evidence, but some pretty conclusive evidence, in my opinion.
I haven't done anything with the list of messages Kevin Conley supplied purporting to be between TK/E.Wig and AmesG and others, mainly because I can't think of any way of verifying if they are fabricated or not, short of seeing the originals in place.
However, Kevin Conley also suggested looking through things like all E.Wig's posts on the RationalWiki forum. I've now looked through all E.Wig's posts there (all the ones I could; see further below), all his posts on RationalWiki itself, the entire history of E.Wig's RationalWiki talk page, and the entire history of TK's RationalWiki talk page from the time that the E.Wig account was created. There are more things I could look through, but I've spent many hours on this already, and I think what I've found is sufficient, so I'd rather not spend more time on this if it's not necessary. This is not really the way I'd expected to spend my holidays!
The following incidental facts appear to be true.
- RationalWiki people are getting hold of at least some of the Special Group discussions somehow.
- The RationalWiki forums do have four forums that are not visible to non-members[1]. As I'm not a member, I can't tell whether any of those private forums are only for selected members, or whether they are only hidden from non-members. However, having hidden forums is probably not unusual, and doesn't prove anything by itself, but more than one or two hidden from normal members might be suspicious.[2]
- User E.Wig's is listed as having made 203 posts, but clicking the button to Find All Posts by him returns 83 posts, which says to me that there's 120 posts by him in hidden forums.
The following list of evidence against TK starts with the more circumstantial evidence. By themselves, these would not prove anything, but together I think they carry some weight. However, the last few items on the list I consider to be quite incriminating.
One surprising thing, though, is the way that TK openly disparaged Conservapedia on a couple of occasions (see the first item, below).
1. TK disparages Conservapedia
On his RationalWiki talk page, TK said," Your unique intellectual talents are much needed here, more so than at CP, where I am sure we can both agree they will be wasted, unappreciated and neglected by the brainless sysops there."
In an edit comment on his RationalWiki talk page, TK said, "".
2. Opinions of others
On RationalWiki, there were a couple of suggestions or inferences by others that TK and E.Wig were one and the same. Here is one example.
3. Crocoite's Mormonism
E.Wig posted on RationalWiki a couple of times about the attitude of Conservapedia sysops towards Crocoite's Mormonism, an issue that TK has been very concerned with.
4. E.Wig doing things that you'd expect TK to do.
E.Wig archived some of TK's talk page on RationalWiki. When I first saw this while going through E.Wig's edits, I thought nothing of it, but in going through TK's talk page history, I realised that TK had archived some material only 16 hours earlier, and the page wasn't particularly long, so there was no obvious reason for someone other than TK to do it. In the very next edit, E.Wig then updated the running count on TK's RationalWiki talk page of how many times the page had been viewed, something that until then only TK himself had done, and which seems an unlikely thing for somebody else to do, particularly given that it had been updated (by TK) only one day before.[3]
5. Bulleted comments
TK has the unusual habit on Conservapedia of posting on talk pages with a bullet. I came across four occasions on RationalWiki where E.Wig posted with a bullet, then edited the post to remove the bullet.[4] Ingrained habits are hard to suppress?
6. Reaction to moved material
On RationalWiki, PalmD moved a conversation from E.Wig's talk page to another page. E.Wig's reaction included, " ...I noticed you didn't leave me the link! Now I feel like its home, cause my friends are always doing that to me too.", which is reminiscent of TK's reaction to similar things on Conservapedia.
7. Implied knowledge of Wikis
TK has always made out that prior to Conservapedia, he was unfamiliar with Wikis and the ways that things are normally done on Wikis. In this post, he implies that he's been around Wikipedia from it's early days: "Obviously many of you are way too young to remember the first year or two of WP".
8. Ray Martinez
I found this sequence of events to be very suspicious:
- On 13th June, at 11:03[5], Linus posted on RationalWiki Forums (RWF) an item about Ray Martinez
- Two minutes later (co-incidentally), I posted to the Special Group a message (No. 2048) about Ray Martinez, including a link to his posts on CreationWiki.
- At 11:33 on RWF, E.Wig replied to Linus by asking "Who?".
- At 11:44, TK replied to my group e-mail, quoting Linus' post on RWF (message 2050) (which proves that he had been looking at the same page that E.Wig posted to, around the same time).
- At 13:38, E.Wig posted in RWF that Ray Martinez was "a first class nutter". He found this out because he had "looked him up at CreationWiki". If E.Wig is not TK or someone else in our group, what gave him the idea of looking on CreationWiki to find out about Ray Martinez?
9. TK lied to me about not having an account on the RationalWiki Forums
I sent TK an e-mail asking if he had an account on the RationalWiki Forums (amongst other questions to avoid suspicion). You will see from his reply (attached) that he clearly says, " I do not have a membership at the RW forums". Yet in a message to the sysop-group list (No. 1803), he includes a cut and paste from the forums that shows that he does have membership there. The original of that message is viewable here, and you will note that the time of that post is 9:11 p.m. on 8th June. For people like you and me who are not members there, the time is GMT. But for logged-in members of forums using that software, the time shows according to the time zone setting in their user profile. The copy of that message that TK included in his sysop-group message shows the message being posted at 1:11 p.m., i.e. a difference of eight hours. This alone indicates that TK was logged in when he copied the post, but I'll also point out that the eight hour difference is consistent, I believe, with TK's time zone.
10. E.Wig writes as TK
In going through all E.Wig's posts on RationalWiki, I found one where E.Wig posted as though he was TK (referring to TK as "I", and the forum members as "you"). He then edited it to be as a post from E.Wig (referring to "TK" instead of "I", and the forum members as "we"). See here.
11. E.Wig has knowledge only TK should have
On RationalWiki, TK was blocked for some reason, but apparently the block did not just prevent him editing, but prevented him even loading the RationalWiki site, returning a "404 server block" instead. E.Wig jumped into the conversation, saying that he didn't " really care what happens to TK, but a server block is pretty rare indeed, where a blocked user cannot even reach their talk and user pages, or even allowed to read what people are saying about them".[6] Then user:Human asked the question which I hadn't thought of: " How on earth did you [E.Wig] figure out that TK was 404-blocked?". The question was never answered, but I believe that only TK (and perhaps sysops) would know that TK's block was a 404 server block. TK made a possibly-related cryptic comment in a post soon after, " I just love this place! So many blabbers and evil people, giving away so much".
Conclusion
None of this is absolute proof, but then courts, unlike science, works on the basis of "beyond reasonable doubt" (or even on the basis of probabilities, for civil cases). I personally believe that despite the lack of absolute proof, there is not much room for doubt left.
If you are inclined to agree with me on this, I expect that you will want to forward this to Terry K to give him the opportunity to defend himself. I have no objection to that. I've not done this with any vendetta, but to simply see if the accusations were true or not, and to judge the evidence on its merits.[7] I'm frankly disappointed and quite shocked at what I found.
Sincerely,
Philip J. Rayment
NOTES
- On forums using the phpBB software the RationalWiki forums use, each forum has a number, which you can see in the address bar when visiting that forum. RationalWiki's eight publicly-visible forums are numbered 1 to 7 and 12. Manually typing the address for other numbers returns a "forum does not exist" message for No. 13, but a request to log in for numbers 8 to 11, confirming that there are four private forums.
- More than one or two forums hidden from normal members, if this is the case, might be suspicious. Niandra is listed as a member there (without any posts). If we thought it worthwhile, we could ask her how many forums she has access to when she logs on there, to see how many are also hidden from "ordinary" members of the forum.
- However, after that a couple of other users did make a game of updating the count for TK, until he went crook at them for doing so.
- One example is here.
- Times have been standardised to GMT.
- That he really did get a 404 server block was confirmed in subsequent posts by user:Linus who said that he didn't condone 404 blocks, and user:Tmtoulouse who said that Linus had found another solution to the 404 block, so they wouldn't use it again.
- As you would have seen on the sysop-group list, I've rejected a number of claims of evidence of TK's guilt, because I didn't think they stood up.
Following is the e-mail I received from TK in reply to one I sent him. This is the e-mail referred to above as "attached". The sole purpose of my e-mail to Terry was to find out if he had an account on the RationalWiki forums.
Yes.
No, but I held some hope until about three weeks ago or so. As you can see, if not forged, I haven’t been posting there much last several weeks.
I do not have a membership at the RW forums.
Why is DanH still excluded from the new group, along with Webmaster, and why are you guys using it, if Andy has said everyone is trusted? Is this just for RobS to attack me, place items there he doesn’t want me to see?
||| Terry
From: Philip Rayment [mailto:[email address]]
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 9:08 AM
To: Terry
Subject: RationalWiki account
Terry,
You have an account at RationalWiki, don't you? Do you think that's been worthwhile? Has it achieved anything (apart from getting you lambasted)?
Do you have one on the RationalWiki forums also? If so, has that been worthwhile?
Thanks,
Philip Rayment
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| TK Timeline 25th April, 2007 First Admin. e-mail group. 25th May, 2007 Ed Poor proposes me as "template manager". 30th June, 2007 Kevin Conley letter 3rd July, 2007 My letter to Andy about TK/E.Wig. 29th November, 2007 Jallen blocks TK for infinite 6th January, 2008 Ed Poor unblocks TK 11th January, 2008 Fox blocks TK for one day 24th March, 2008 TK unblocked on parole 12th April, 2008 I block TK for 6 hours for abuse. He stops editing for seven months 15th November, 2008 TK returns to editing 2nd December, 2008 TK regains block rights 1st January, 2009 TK regains Administrator status |